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	<title>Comments on: Too much Taser use, too little humanity</title>
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	<description>Who is keeping them accountable?</description>
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		<title>By: Deepthroat</title>
		<link>http://www.rcmpwatch.com/too-much-taser-use-too-little-humanity/comment-page-1/#comment-2999</link>
		<dc:creator>Deepthroat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 20:26:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as a welcoming committee, spew some of your venom on the reasons why he was in the airport for several hours without any contact.  Also note the fact that there were a few heated arguments according to the latest witnesses.  But by all means negate all of that for the fact he was tasered and unfortunately died.  I think I will wait for all the facts to be in before I decide where to point fingers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as a welcoming committee, spew some of your venom on the reasons why he was in the airport for several hours without any contact.  Also note the fact that there were a few heated arguments according to the latest witnesses.  But by all means negate all of that for the fact he was tasered and unfortunately died.  I think I will wait for all the facts to be in before I decide where to point fingers.</p>
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		<title>By: Alcan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alcan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 02:25:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds pretty simple; tazered, cuffed, looked at by EMTs and then if he&#039;s not dead, hauled off to the crow bar hotel and if he is to the morgue for police back-up and follow-ups. 

Sounds like a pretty good welcome I wonder if a third class world would be this heartless? I&#039;m glad we don&#039;t carry machine guns in our airports.

But what about Robert&#039;s help before he got to the above and how can we blame a man who&#039;s spent so many hours in the air, didn&#039;t know the language, was lost in the airport process and his mom was told something that wasn&#039;t true and sent home.... Someone is responsible, so would the police responding know all this information or just the last few minutes of it?... 

I&#039;m glad I&#039;m not those police officers it must be embarrasing and troubling for them, that&#039;s if they still have a concience...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds pretty simple; tazered, cuffed, looked at by EMTs and then if he&#8217;s not dead, hauled off to the crow bar hotel and if he is to the morgue for police back-up and follow-ups. </p>
<p>Sounds like a pretty good welcome I wonder if a third class world would be this heartless? I&#8217;m glad we don&#8217;t carry machine guns in our airports.</p>
<p>But what about Robert&#8217;s help before he got to the above and how can we blame a man who&#8217;s spent so many hours in the air, didn&#8217;t know the language, was lost in the airport process and his mom was told something that wasn&#8217;t true and sent home&#8230;. Someone is responsible, so would the police responding know all this information or just the last few minutes of it?&#8230; </p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad I&#8217;m not those police officers it must be embarrasing and troubling for them, that&#8217;s if they still have a concience&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Deepthroat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deepthroat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 05:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alcan, you are mixing my post with onegin 1, and you have not answered my questions, nor commented on my opinion, rather you are going off in other directions without finishing responses to your own posts.

If you cannot find the mandate of the Braidwood inquiry here is the link:

http://www.braidwoodinquiry.ca/terms_of_reference.php

MS, he did not have a chair when confronted by the officers.  They are also allowed to &quot;skip&quot; levels of the continuum if they feel it was necessary.  Depending on what they were told before their arrival, they could have already decided not to dally around and simply move to stun him right off the bat.  Nothing unusual about that.  Without the fatal response to the circumstances, he would have been tasered, cuffed, looked at by EMT&#039;s and then hauled off to the pokey, end of story.  A situation repeated thousands of times every year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alcan, you are mixing my post with onegin 1, and you have not answered my questions, nor commented on my opinion, rather you are going off in other directions without finishing responses to your own posts.</p>
<p>If you cannot find the mandate of the Braidwood inquiry here is the link:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.braidwoodinquiry.ca/terms_of_reference.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.braidwoodinquiry.ca/terms_of_reference.php</a></p>
<p>MS, he did not have a chair when confronted by the officers.  They are also allowed to &#8220;skip&#8221; levels of the continuum if they feel it was necessary.  Depending on what they were told before their arrival, they could have already decided not to dally around and simply move to stun him right off the bat.  Nothing unusual about that.  Without the fatal response to the circumstances, he would have been tasered, cuffed, looked at by EMT&#8217;s and then hauled off to the pokey, end of story.  A situation repeated thousands of times every year.</p>
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		<title>By: M.S. Thomson</title>
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		<dc:creator>M.S. Thomson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 01:44:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Onegin1 is correct, the Berlin Wall came down in 1989 and the USSR dosolved in 1991; somwhere around that time Poland ceased being a &quot;Communist&quot; state, but Dziekanski would have lived under a Stalinist dictatorship for the first half of his life, and his encounters with the authorities during that period may well have informed Mr. Dziekanski&#039;s view of police. 

And the Taser is not classified as deadly force but as an alternative to using deadly force. The RCMP subscribe to the &quot;National Use of Force Framework&quot; in which officer&#039;s are trained to assess and evaluate situations and quickly plan how to act in a situation and constantly reassess said situation. Depending on the level of resistance the officer graduates from verbal communication to lethal force gradually. It seems to me that the officers in question skipped the physical control option (which graduates from soft to hard) and moved right to the use of intermediate weapons. 

I still don&#039;t know why they didn&#039;t just tackle the guy or, if they were so concerned about the chair he was weilding, use those telescoping batons they have to knock said chair out of the poor guy&#039;s hands.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Onegin1 is correct, the Berlin Wall came down in 1989 and the USSR dosolved in 1991; somwhere around that time Poland ceased being a &#8220;Communist&#8221; state, but Dziekanski would have lived under a Stalinist dictatorship for the first half of his life, and his encounters with the authorities during that period may well have informed Mr. Dziekanski&#8217;s view of police. </p>
<p>And the Taser is not classified as deadly force but as an alternative to using deadly force. The RCMP subscribe to the &#8220;National Use of Force Framework&#8221; in which officer&#8217;s are trained to assess and evaluate situations and quickly plan how to act in a situation and constantly reassess said situation. Depending on the level of resistance the officer graduates from verbal communication to lethal force gradually. It seems to me that the officers in question skipped the physical control option (which graduates from soft to hard) and moved right to the use of intermediate weapons. </p>
<p>I still don&#8217;t know why they didn&#8217;t just tackle the guy or, if they were so concerned about the chair he was weilding, use those telescoping batons they have to knock said chair out of the poor guy&#8217;s hands.</p>
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		<title>By: Alcan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alcan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 18:41:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Deepthroat; if I had to fire one of those Tazers I would have to accept the ideal that I could kill someone with it if I did. But if I had to fire it five times on the individual then I should know.... is this a very logical assumption considering it&#039;s still not classified as a deadly force because of the bottom feeders inside the forces today.

My point was not captured. I once helped a man who had defected from Poland years before from the military by giving him a lift where he could get some food, shelter and some help. I asked him on the way why he was living this way and he told me the reason I just mentioned above. But I said like you did that Communism was abolished over 12 years ago but in his mind he was still under it&#039;s effects.... not all cases are text book cases are they and if there a mistake made even the bottom feeders should have some recourse like the ranks and file do don&#039;t you all think so or is compensation just allowed for the upper class of society? 

Is not justice suppose to be fair even though we all know it&#039;s stacked against some?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Deepthroat; if I had to fire one of those Tazers I would have to accept the ideal that I could kill someone with it if I did. But if I had to fire it five times on the individual then I should know&#8230;. is this a very logical assumption considering it&#8217;s still not classified as a deadly force because of the bottom feeders inside the forces today.</p>
<p>My point was not captured. I once helped a man who had defected from Poland years before from the military by giving him a lift where he could get some food, shelter and some help. I asked him on the way why he was living this way and he told me the reason I just mentioned above. But I said like you did that Communism was abolished over 12 years ago but in his mind he was still under it&#8217;s effects&#8230;. not all cases are text book cases are they and if there a mistake made even the bottom feeders should have some recourse like the ranks and file do don&#8217;t you all think so or is compensation just allowed for the upper class of society? </p>
<p>Is not justice suppose to be fair even though we all know it&#8217;s stacked against some?</p>
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		<title>By: Onegin1</title>
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		<dc:creator>Onegin1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 15:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1) Tasers are not classifed as deadly force.

2) He did not come from a &quot;Communist system.&quot;  Poland has not been &quot;Communist&quot; for 20 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1) Tasers are not classifed as deadly force.</p>
<p>2) He did not come from a &#8220;Communist system.&#8221;  Poland has not been &#8220;Communist&#8221; for 20 years.</p>
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		<title>By: Deepthroat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deepthroat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 05:55:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You presuppose that the cops knew they would kill him with the taser.  Not a very logical assumption.

You really think that they were intending to kill him for waving a stapler and going a bit nuts?

Well, if he came from a communist communist system or even a communist communist communist system, he would have gotten down prone on the floor all by himself when he saw them coming.  I think they actually shoot people in communist communist countries.

You might want to reread the mandate of the Braidwood inquiry there Alcan.  Its a little broader than you realize.  The information from there will also greatly assist the bottom feeders with their civil suit against the rcmp.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You presuppose that the cops knew they would kill him with the taser.  Not a very logical assumption.</p>
<p>You really think that they were intending to kill him for waving a stapler and going a bit nuts?</p>
<p>Well, if he came from a communist communist system or even a communist communist communist system, he would have gotten down prone on the floor all by himself when he saw them coming.  I think they actually shoot people in communist communist countries.</p>
<p>You might want to reread the mandate of the Braidwood inquiry there Alcan.  Its a little broader than you realize.  The information from there will also greatly assist the bottom feeders with their civil suit against the rcmp.</p>
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		<title>By: Alcan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alcan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 13:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since when does holding a stapler warrant a death sentence? 

Did he use it? 

I though our lives had to be seriously in danger to justify using deadly force and how can one justify this kind when you are standing in front of four RCMP members and you are alone?

I think the Polish man should feel and maybe others with all the reports I&#039;m reading here that his life was in danger and it would be justified in thinking so even if he is a stranger to this country. 

Try and remember he came from a Communist Communist system and he could have responded in fear especially with 4 to 1 odds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since when does holding a stapler warrant a death sentence? </p>
<p>Did he use it? </p>
<p>I though our lives had to be seriously in danger to justify using deadly force and how can one justify this kind when you are standing in front of four RCMP members and you are alone?</p>
<p>I think the Polish man should feel and maybe others with all the reports I&#8217;m reading here that his life was in danger and it would be justified in thinking so even if he is a stranger to this country. </p>
<p>Try and remember he came from a Communist Communist system and he could have responded in fear especially with 4 to 1 odds.</p>
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		<title>By: Alcan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alcan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 16:50:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remember Inquiries are not there to fault find only to recommend without teeth or obligation.... it&#039;s a farce</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember Inquiries are not there to fault find only to recommend without teeth or obligation&#8230;. it&#8217;s a farce</p>
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		<title>By: Deepthroat</title>
		<link>http://www.rcmpwatch.com/too-much-taser-use-too-little-humanity/comment-page-1/#comment-2976</link>
		<dc:creator>Deepthroat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 05:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Must have been that huge stapler he pulled out after walking over there.

So if they inquiry does not make that finding, they are dishonest?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Must have been that huge stapler he pulled out after walking over there.</p>
<p>So if they inquiry does not make that finding, they are dishonest?</p>
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