Comments on: RCMP use chicken dung to repel homeless http://www.rcmpwatch.com/rcmp-use-chicken-dung-to-repel-homeless/ Who is keeping them accountable? Sat, 11 Feb 2012 00:35:43 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: M.S. Thomson http://www.rcmpwatch.com/rcmp-use-chicken-dung-to-repel-homeless/comment-page-1/#comment-3729 M.S. Thomson Wed, 26 Aug 2009 02:30:32 +0000 http://www.rcmpwatch.com/?p=1940#comment-3729 I wonder if they will call this one "Manuregate." The Vancouver morning DJs are having a field day with the story. I am sorry about the two nearly identical posts I made yesterday. A power surge occured after I pressed "submit" on the first one and I was pretty certain that it had been lost so I came back later and posted the second one. I wonder if they will call this one “Manuregate.” The Vancouver morning DJs are having a field day with the story.
I am sorry about the two nearly identical posts I made yesterday. A power surge occured after I pressed “submit” on the first one and I was pretty certain that it had been lost so I came back later and posted the second one.

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]]> By: Deepthroat http://www.rcmpwatch.com/rcmp-use-chicken-dung-to-repel-homeless/comment-page-1/#comment-3728 Deepthroat Tue, 25 Aug 2009 20:48:32 +0000 http://www.rcmpwatch.com/?p=1940#comment-3728 Isn't it amazing that: 1. you can spread disinformation so easily and predictably; 2. the penchant to jump with both feet on the RCMP at any whiff (sorry) of some impropriety without full possession of the facts. How predictable, how regrettable. On the upside a mirror. Isn’t it amazing that: 1. you can spread disinformation so easily and predictably; 2. the penchant to jump with both feet on the RCMP at any whiff (sorry) of some impropriety without full possession of the facts. How predictable, how regrettable.

On the upside a mirror.

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]]> By: RCMP Watch http://www.rcmpwatch.com/rcmp-use-chicken-dung-to-repel-homeless/comment-page-1/#comment-3727 RCMP Watch Tue, 25 Aug 2009 03:43:19 +0000 http://www.rcmpwatch.com/?p=1940#comment-3727 <strong>Anti-loitering strategy causes a big stink</strong> Rod Mickleburgh, Vancouver, B.C. Globe and Mail Monday, Aug. 24, 2009 09:24PM EDT And the city took another load away. You could tell by the smell, it wasn't hay. Not by a long shot. In fact, it was prime, grade A chicken manure, which authorities decided was maybe not the best weapon to repel loiterers in the sprawling suburb of Surrey, B.C. Frustrated bylaw enforcement officials, beset by complaints from nearby business owners, last week lined a vacant lot next to a homeless shelter with poultry excrement in order to discourage a rowdy lot of vagrants and miscreants from hanging out there. When word of the fowl strategy leaked out, however, the poop hit the fan, confronting acting Surrey mayor Barinder Rasode with her first executive decision. Ms. Rasode didn't hesitate. Chicken dung, be gone, she declared. “This is not what we're about in Surrey,” the acting mayor said Monday, after the last few dregs of dung were vacuumed up by city work crews. “It was an unacceptable, draconian approach. These are people in our community [the homeless] who need support, and this does not treat people with dignity.” Except that, truth to say, the dung did its job. “It was a unique decision and obviously controversial, but it was effective,” said Megan Baillie, executive director of South Fraser Community Services, which runs the 24-hour homeless shelter adjoining the manure-laced lot. “That's the quietest I've seen the street in some time. “In that sense, it did have a positive effect, and it was the bird manure that did it.” Ms. Baillie said the smell, not surprisingly, was terrible. “During the day, when it was hot, you wanted to close the windows and turn up the air conditioning.” She said she didn't necessarily approve of the decision to scatter chicken manure about, but agreed that outside loitering was becoming an increasing problem in the area. “And this does illustrate the bigger crisis, which is homelessness in general. It's not attractive and people don't want to see it.” There had been reports that chicken manure had been scattered outside the Surrey Food Bank, as well, and for the same reason. Not so, said food bank head Marilyn Herrmann. “I would never let them do that. I have other weapons to use against drug-dealers and people on the street who are up to no good,” she said. “Like my wrath.” Ms. Hermann said as many as 80 families are lined up in the morning, when the food bank opens. “You get moms and kids, and other family members. If you have street kids hanging around at the same time, it doesn't mix. But chicken dung? I can't believe they did it. … That's pretty creative.” Ms. Rasode said councillors and senior civic managers had no inkling the chicken dung strategy was going to be trotted out by its own staff. Early on, the deed was mistakenly linked to the RCMP. “I'm very glad to point you back to the city on this one,” a relieved RCMP officer told an inquiring reporter. So far, the acting mayor said, those responsible have not yet explained what made them thing poultry droppings were the way to go. “We're still trying to get specifics. I Googled it, and couldn't find anything about this ever being tried before.” The decision to return Surrey to a chicken-dung-free zone wasn't difficult, Ms. Rasode added. Nor did she feel the need to consult with other councillors. “It's common sense. Our council would never approve this. It's not how we do things in Surrey.” Anti-loitering strategy causes a big stink

Rod Mickleburgh, Vancouver, B.C.
Globe and Mail
Monday, Aug. 24, 2009 09:24PM EDT

And the city took another load away. You could tell by the smell, it wasn’t hay. Not by a long shot. In fact, it was prime, grade A chicken manure, which authorities decided was maybe not the best weapon to repel loiterers in the sprawling suburb of Surrey, B.C.

Frustrated bylaw enforcement officials, beset by complaints from nearby business owners, last week lined a vacant lot next to a homeless shelter with poultry excrement in order to discourage a rowdy lot of vagrants and miscreants from hanging out there.

When word of the fowl strategy leaked out, however, the poop hit the fan, confronting acting Surrey mayor Barinder Rasode with her first executive decision. Ms. Rasode didn’t hesitate. Chicken dung, be gone, she declared.

“This is not what we’re about in Surrey,” the acting mayor said Monday, after the last few dregs of dung were vacuumed up by city work crews. “It was an unacceptable, draconian approach. These are people in our community [the homeless] who need support, and this does not treat people with dignity.”

Except that, truth to say, the dung did its job.

“It was a unique decision and obviously controversial, but it was effective,” said Megan Baillie, executive director of South Fraser Community Services, which runs the 24-hour homeless shelter adjoining the manure-laced lot. “That’s the quietest I’ve seen the street in some time.

“In that sense, it did have a positive effect, and it was the bird manure that did it.”

Ms. Baillie said the smell, not surprisingly, was terrible. “During the day, when it was hot, you wanted to close the windows and turn up the air conditioning.”

She said she didn’t necessarily approve of the decision to scatter chicken manure about, but agreed that outside loitering was becoming an increasing problem in the area. “And this does illustrate the bigger crisis, which is homelessness in general. It’s not attractive and people don’t want to see it.”

There had been reports that chicken manure had been scattered outside the Surrey Food Bank, as well, and for the same reason. Not so, said food bank head Marilyn Herrmann.

“I would never let them do that. I have other weapons to use against drug-dealers and people on the street who are up to no good,” she said. “Like my wrath.”

Ms. Hermann said as many as 80 families are lined up in the morning, when the food bank opens. “You get moms and kids, and other family members. If you have street kids hanging around at the same time, it doesn’t mix. But chicken dung? I can’t believe they did it. … That’s pretty creative.”

Ms. Rasode said councillors and senior civic managers had no inkling the chicken dung strategy was going to be trotted out by its own staff. Early on, the deed was mistakenly linked to the RCMP. “I’m very glad to point you back to the city on this one,” a relieved RCMP officer told an inquiring reporter.

So far, the acting mayor said, those responsible have not yet explained what made them thing poultry droppings were the way to go. “We’re still trying to get specifics. I Googled it, and couldn’t find anything about this ever being tried before.”

The decision to return Surrey to a chicken-dung-free zone wasn’t difficult, Ms. Rasode added. Nor did she feel the need to consult with other councillors. “It’s common sense. Our council would never approve this. It’s not how we do things in Surrey.”

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]]> By: Dsty http://www.rcmpwatch.com/rcmp-use-chicken-dung-to-repel-homeless/comment-page-1/#comment-3726 Dsty Tue, 25 Aug 2009 03:28:24 +0000 http://www.rcmpwatch.com/?p=1940#comment-3726 Importan Update: The Globe & Mail reports today the RCMP were NOT involved as incorrectly indicated by a Surrey Councillor. City staff formulated the plan. Article quote: Ms. Rasode said councillors and senior civic managers had no inkling the chicken dung strategy was going to be trotted out by its own staff. Early on, the deed was mistakenly linked to the RCMP. “I'm very glad to point you back to the city on this one,” a relieved RCMP officer told an inquiring reporter. Importan Update: The Globe & Mail reports today the RCMP were NOT involved as incorrectly indicated by a Surrey Councillor. City staff formulated the plan.

Article quote: Ms. Rasode said councillors and senior civic managers had no inkling the chicken dung strategy was going to be trotted out by its own staff. Early on, the deed was mistakenly linked to the RCMP. “I’m very glad to point you back to the city on this one,” a relieved RCMP officer told an inquiring reporter.

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]]> By: M.S. Thomson http://www.rcmpwatch.com/rcmp-use-chicken-dung-to-repel-homeless/comment-page-1/#comment-3725 M.S. Thomson Tue, 25 Aug 2009 01:11:59 +0000 http://www.rcmpwatch.com/?p=1940#comment-3725 Like JohnnyG I read this and had to wonder if it was for real. The chicken manure was probably cheaper than hiring a private security firm to patrol that area and report problems to the local detachment. I gotta feel sorry for Surrey's Mounties on this one. Staffing and equipment shortages are par-for-the-course in the largest detachment in B.C./Canada. The city wants the homeless people discouraged but do not want to pay for more RCMP constables to patrol this rapidly growing city. So the "chickenshit solution" is thought up and enacted. Now someone in city hall signed off on this, the RCMP's request for a city works crew to spread that manure around had to be okayed by someone...Good luck finding that person now that all the elected officials have denounced the idea. So the Surret detachment is left holding the bag of fertilzer. The real winner is the chicken farmer from who this manure was purchased from. Like JohnnyG I read this and had to wonder if it was for real.
The chicken manure was probably cheaper than hiring a private security firm to patrol that area and report problems to the local detachment.
I gotta feel sorry for Surrey’s Mounties on this one. Staffing and equipment shortages are par-for-the-course in the largest detachment in B.C./Canada. The city wants the homeless people discouraged but do not want to pay for more RCMP constables to patrol this rapidly growing city. So the “chickenshit solution” is thought up and enacted. Now someone in city hall signed off on this, the RCMP’s request for a city works crew to spread that manure around had to be okayed by someone…Good luck finding that person now that all the elected officials have denounced the idea. So the Surret detachment is left holding the bag of fertilzer.
The real winner is the chicken farmer from who this manure was purchased from.

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]]> By: Deepthroat http://www.rcmpwatch.com/rcmp-use-chicken-dung-to-repel-homeless/comment-page-1/#comment-3724 Deepthroat Mon, 24 Aug 2009 20:32:50 +0000 http://www.rcmpwatch.com/?p=1940#comment-3724 We had better formulate some public policy on the use of chicken manure, including that available in retail outlets. We cannot have the public exposed to such lethal use of force by our police departments without some policy guidelines and perhaps some criminal code amendments. We should also examine the feed rates of the involved chicken herds to ensure they are not being forced to defecate at unsafe levels for their health. Hopefully there are no immigration issues with the collection of said waste product as in other low paying farm jobs. I am sure the Health Department is monitoring safety issues from their perspective. Ministry of Transport no doubt has monitoring in place for the safe delivery of this product to the end user. I am not sure on the safe storage issue at the retail level though We had better formulate some public policy on the use of chicken manure, including that available in retail outlets. We cannot have the public exposed to such lethal use of force by our police departments without some policy guidelines and perhaps some criminal code amendments. We should also examine the feed rates of the involved chicken herds to ensure they are not being forced to defecate at unsafe levels for their health. Hopefully there are no immigration issues with the collection of said waste product as in other low paying farm jobs. I am sure the Health Department is monitoring safety issues from their perspective. Ministry of Transport no doubt has monitoring in place for the safe delivery of this product to the end user. I am not sure on the safe storage issue at the retail level though

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]]> By: M.S. Thomson http://www.rcmpwatch.com/rcmp-use-chicken-dung-to-repel-homeless/comment-page-1/#comment-3723 M.S. Thomson Mon, 24 Aug 2009 19:35:20 +0000 http://www.rcmpwatch.com/?p=1940#comment-3723 I agree with JohnnyG, when I read this story I had to wonder if it was for real. Surrey is the largest LMD detachment and staffing and equipment shortages are par-for-the-course. Watts desperately wants to keep her RCMP detachment and not be forced into a metro policing service by SG Kash Heed. Hiring a private security firm to patrol locations like these would probably underscore the Surrey detachment's understaffing and strengthen Heed's position. So they try this, uh, chickenshit option. A city works crew spread the manure; the last time I checked that sort of work order, even if it came from the RCMP detachment, would have to be cleared by someone at city hall. Someone in the city manager's department. And its likely the city of Surrey purchased the manure from some chicken farmer for the RCMP. So who in city hall knew about this and how far up did this knowledge go? It was a stupid idea which the politicians seem all too quick to blame on the RCMP. Someone in city hall, a civil servant or elected official, had to have signed off on this... Ultimately, the one person who benefitted from this was the chicken farmer who sold the manure which this story is all about in the first place. I agree with JohnnyG, when I read this story I had to wonder if it was for real. Surrey is the largest LMD detachment and staffing and equipment shortages are par-for-the-course. Watts desperately wants to keep her RCMP detachment and not be forced into a metro policing service by SG Kash Heed. Hiring a private security firm to patrol locations like these would probably underscore the Surrey detachment’s understaffing and strengthen Heed’s position. So they try this, uh, chickenshit option.

A city works crew spread the manure; the last time I checked that sort of work order, even if it came from the RCMP detachment, would have to be cleared by someone at city hall. Someone in the city manager’s department. And its likely the city of Surrey purchased the manure from some chicken farmer for the RCMP. So who in city hall knew about this and how far up did this knowledge go? It was a stupid idea which the politicians seem all too quick to blame on the RCMP. Someone in city hall, a civil servant or elected official, had to have signed off on this…

Ultimately, the one person who benefitted from this was the chicken farmer who sold the manure which this story is all about in the first place.

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]]> By: NRF http://www.rcmpwatch.com/rcmp-use-chicken-dung-to-repel-homeless/comment-page-1/#comment-3721 NRF Sun, 23 Aug 2009 23:10:11 +0000 http://www.rcmpwatch.com/?p=1940#comment-3721 This stunt seems somewhat innocuous until you look beyond the surface. Bacteria in the chickens' digestive system is often resistant to antibiotics and these are excreted and wind up in the manure. Immunosuppressed street people are at high risk of developing disease from exposure. A recent study by John Hopkins University confirms the common presence of resistant bacteria, even in aged manure. http://northerninsights.blogspot.com/2009/08/rcmp-has-new-less-lethal-weaponry.html This stunt seems somewhat innocuous until you look beyond the surface. Bacteria in the chickens’ digestive system is often resistant to antibiotics and these are excreted and wind up in the manure. Immunosuppressed street people are at high risk of developing disease from exposure. A recent study by John Hopkins University confirms the common presence of resistant bacteria, even in aged manure.

http://northerninsights.blogspot.com/2009/08/rcmp-has-new-less-lethal-weaponry.html

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]]> By: Deepthroat http://www.rcmpwatch.com/rcmp-use-chicken-dung-to-repel-homeless/comment-page-1/#comment-3720 Deepthroat Sun, 23 Aug 2009 19:50:07 +0000 http://www.rcmpwatch.com/?p=1940#comment-3720 I think you will find that fish fertilizer is much better at deterrence. It was an old trick used by the BCPP to keep the "tramps" from congregating in certain areas of the rail yards. It was also used to keep partying rowdy youths from certain sensitive park areas in the 70s. It has the beneficial side effect of promoting plant growth. I think you will find that fish fertilizer is much better at deterrence. It was an old trick used by the BCPP to keep the “tramps” from congregating in certain areas of the rail yards. It was also used to keep partying rowdy youths from certain sensitive park areas in the 70s. It has the beneficial side effect of promoting plant growth.

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]]> By: NRF http://www.rcmpwatch.com/rcmp-use-chicken-dung-to-repel-homeless/comment-page-1/#comment-3719 NRF Sun, 23 Aug 2009 19:08:49 +0000 http://www.rcmpwatch.com/?p=1940#comment-3719 When we take away high tech toys, good old low tech solutions come into action. No one dies of heart arrhythmia but this weapon may spread too broadly. Question though. Is this really from chickens or have the brass found an outlet for their excess Bull S#%t? When we take away high tech toys, good old low tech solutions come into action.

No one dies of heart arrhythmia but this weapon may spread too broadly.

Question though. Is this really from chickens or have the brass found an outlet for their excess Bull S#%t?

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