Comments on: RCMP Taser incidents involving two disabled men angers support group

By: tracker07

tracker07 — Wed, 11 Jun 2008 03:51:11 +0000

You forgot the important contraindication, care to try for another attempt. You’ll get it one day. third times a charm.

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By: Deepthroat

Deepthroat — Tue, 10 Jun 2008 18:04:41 +0000

First responder training given to cops includes CPR, adult and child. AEDs are designed to be simple to use for the layman, and the use of AEDs is taught in many first aid, first responder and basic life support (BLS) level CPR classes.

Contraindications in the AED:

· Less than 8 years or under 55 pounds (25kg)

· Obviously dead criteria

· Honoring Prehospital DNR orders

Relative Contraindication:

· Traumatic full arrest is a relative contraindication.

· If the patient appears to be more medical than trauma, proceed with the AED protocol.

You are not clear on: “Let’s compare the AED protocol with the Taser Weapon”. Other than electricity, you cannot.

As for the “missive” you forgot that both had been drinking. The question is how much.

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By: tracker07

tracker07 — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 19:17:09 +0000

With respect too the “IMIM Model” and the Energized Weapon Protocol.

As a result of The Taser Weapon deployment and questionable application a Taser use Commissions has been tasked to review the legitimacy of its application.

The following missive is the examples set out for comment:

“Williams has a limp from a horrible accident as a child. He also has a chronic sleep disorder and speaks slowly and carefully”
“Hall had a brain aneurysm as a child. His weak leg swings as he walks, a visible reminder of his disability”

“Both men are on government disability pensions”
Remarks: “Medical laymen intervention via AED protocol is not as high a standard as they cops are trained to”. If you have something to support your statement show us.
With respect to the CPR link you provided, Wrong wrong,wrong link, lookup the word “Contraindication” The contraindications should be similar for both energy delivery methods as they are now being realized through the enforcement community.

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By: Deepthroat

Deepthroat — Sat, 07 Jun 2008 21:21:47 +0000

Same with the baton? Same with the spray? Same with the fist or boot? These are weapons too you know. Medical laymen intervention via AED protocol is not as high a standard as they cops are trained to. Exactly how do you compare a weapon to the first responder reactions especially when you know the background and activity?

You may find the follwing websites helpful to you:

http://www.atoutplus.com/AED_SPECIAL.pdf

http://www.atoutplus.com/AED_PUBLIC.pdf

Maybe we taxpayers can afford one for every cop car, at 1500 per.

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By: tracker07

tracker07 — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 06:04:05 +0000

The Taser Weapon is just that a Weapon and Victims of this Weapon should be treated as though their body has been violated. Let’s compare the AED protocol with the Taser Weapon. Look up the contraindications and application there of.

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By: Deepthroat

Deepthroat — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 00:53:44 +0000

Good idea, we can make sure that they are able to jump the ER lineup ahead of everybody else and then spend my tax bucks taking tests that will by that time be useless. If they don’t want blood taken and ECG, EKG, what? Make them submit?

New tasers have built in recording and video catching all the action. Reports are already filed with every usage. All file material is available to complainants upon request at no cost.

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By: Deepthroat

Deepthroat — Tue, 03 Jun 2008 23:41:21 +0000

Cops already have a new policy out. Read the news. New tasers have a built in camera. Read the news. A report is made after every use. Read the news. All reports on any file are a mandatory release via Privacy Act. A court decides if excessive force is used.

I am not in favor of my tax bucks being spent on medical exams no doubt performed several hours after in an emergency room where needy patients already have to wait hours for treatment of serious incidents. Just how accurate is that going to be? Or perhaps you are suggesting that certain procedures in the emergency room be superseded by your idea? What might they be?

The antimony of which you speak is not comprised of the majority conscience. I have no difficulty in reconciling what is being said from a small minority of whiners, and what is the norm.

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By: tracker07

tracker07 — Tue, 03 Jun 2008 22:31:35 +0000

The RCMP policy guidelines “IMIM model” is often referenced so as to excuse the conduct of Police whom by public decree overacted to a perceived threat and pacified a subject with the use of force. We are presented with Mr. Dziekanski a disoriented man tasered to death at YVR, also in another case an enfeebled 82 year old male with cardiac and COPD history convalescing in hospital also tasered. Recently reported two disadvantage males with impediments also tasered, numerous instances of questionable Taser Weapon use are now on record.

The antinomy between Social Conscience and the RCMP policy and guidelines and the Taser use proliferation has inspired the following, The RCMP and other Police forces after each controversial Tasering. Justify their actions with reverence to RCMP/Police Policy and guidelines.

A New Taser Weapon use Policy is required with strict adherence to deployment guidelines. After a Taser Weapon interaction with the combatant subject ; A mandatory exam by an emergency room physician is required to evaluate EKG Rhythm via tracing, blood chemistry specifically “pH” levels and breathing rate and oxygen saturation.

A Police Officer or Person Authorized to use a Taser Weapon to be compelled without delay, to write a detailed report that clearly and completely states the reason why. The Taser Weapon was deployed and for each additional occurrence the Taser was used in the relevant file. The said report is then to made available for immediate release within 30 days at no cost to the person on file or to his/her designate.

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By: God Rocks

God Rocks — Sat, 31 May 2008 17:33:13 +0000

That`s just awful!

Reminds me of the man that was hit and thrown on the floor from his wheelchair and he wound up weeling it into uncomming traffic.

It seems to me that since the Federal Government was successful at avoiding a public inquiry into why the RCMP are operating this way here in Canada that it smells like it`s on the way anyway with some of these reports that are coming out on them and look at the security issue with the Ministers girlfriend and the top secret documents that was left at her home….

When will the Ministers take up their responsibilities and stop dealing with all these individual cases and show the people of Canada that they are there for our benifit and not for theirs…. WHEN!

When we look like fools all over the world, that`s not ledership… WHEN!

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