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		<title>By: Deepthroat</title>
		<link>http://www.rcmpwatch.com/rcmp-officer-arrested-2nd-time-for-drunk-driving-in-vancouver/comment-page-1/#comment-3888</link>
		<dc:creator>Deepthroat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 20:39:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I kept no stats but I know what I saw therefore, the numerous examples that I could give would not be considered by your logic.&quot;   Incorrect.  I accept your first hand account on the issues you witnessed, and it would add impetus to (only) one side of the debate.  Your assertion of the alcohol abuse vis a vis the RCMP needs context, not only from the limited 20 year old statistics, but present day as well. 

How are we to determine if any progress has been made?  You reference  Shields, but that is only disciplinary.  What about employer policies in respect of assistance and guidance?

An additional facet of interest would be the overall alcohol abuse problem of the profession in comparison to others or just the general public.  That the public has issues with alcohol is not news.  That the RCMP is made up of the public, albeit in a high stress occupation, and would have alcohol issues should be no surprise to anyone.  The key is relativity and severity on one hand and remedial action on the other.  Were there the &quot;dry out&quot; clinics in your day?  When were they imbued into policy?

You intimate no action on the part of the RCMP with respect to the issue, and claim it is ingrained in the culture.  Are you saying that it was the case Canada wide in your day, or still is?  Where is your empirical data to support either.

You cannot just intimate the RCMP has this large alcohol problem without any overall context.  It may be that in the final analysis that they have a higher percentage of alcohol abuse than the public or lower than dentists or some other profession.

The motherhood statements are nice but if intended to influence for support, unnecessary if your position stands alone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I kept no stats but I know what I saw therefore, the numerous examples that I could give would not be considered by your logic.&#8221;   Incorrect.  I accept your first hand account on the issues you witnessed, and it would add impetus to (only) one side of the debate.  Your assertion of the alcohol abuse vis a vis the RCMP needs context, not only from the limited 20 year old statistics, but present day as well. </p>
<p>How are we to determine if any progress has been made?  You reference  Shields, but that is only disciplinary.  What about employer policies in respect of assistance and guidance?</p>
<p>An additional facet of interest would be the overall alcohol abuse problem of the profession in comparison to others or just the general public.  That the public has issues with alcohol is not news.  That the RCMP is made up of the public, albeit in a high stress occupation, and would have alcohol issues should be no surprise to anyone.  The key is relativity and severity on one hand and remedial action on the other.  Were there the &#8220;dry out&#8221; clinics in your day?  When were they imbued into policy?</p>
<p>You intimate no action on the part of the RCMP with respect to the issue, and claim it is ingrained in the culture.  Are you saying that it was the case Canada wide in your day, or still is?  Where is your empirical data to support either.</p>
<p>You cannot just intimate the RCMP has this large alcohol problem without any overall context.  It may be that in the final analysis that they have a higher percentage of alcohol abuse than the public or lower than dentists or some other profession.</p>
<p>The motherhood statements are nice but if intended to influence for support, unnecessary if your position stands alone.</p>
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		<title>By: Calvin Lawrence</title>
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		<dc:creator>Calvin Lawrence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 17:37:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are 100% right when you talk about me and statistics.  However, you are forgetting one important fact.  The abuse of alcohol was observed by me. I kept no stats but I know what I saw therefore, the numerous examples that I could give would not be considered by your logic.

Was Dr. Dietrich&#039;s recommendations accepted?  No.  Was he shunned and contained by RCMP management? Yes.  Protect the RCMP image at all costs! That is not everyone&#039;s attitude but it is ingrained in RCMP culture the same as drinking. 

 My role in this process was an enabler.  Other members were more enabling by looking for the police vehicle when misplaced by the intoxicated NCO the night before. I was the designated driver for those members who consumed alcohol. Every member has a role. There is no escape if you are an RCMP member.

Think of a detachment and the roles that were played out:

The Alcoholic Dependent Person - perfectionist, aggressive, charming, blaming, etc.

The Chief Enabler - sickly powerless, compliant, Manipulative,  etc.

The Family hero -  successful, independent, seeking approval,  perceptive, etc.

THe Scapegoat- sullen, defiant, acting out, blaming, etc.

The Lost Child - creative loners,  solitary, withdrawn, etc.

The Mascot - hyperactive, humour, centre of attention, etc.

Each member could could take on any of the above roles.  They are interchangeable at any give time. This may be a little over the top for some readers but I do not have the luxury of power point or over heads to state my position here.

I was proud to be a member of the RCMP but I also believe in tough love.  I did not go along to get along because that is fraud.  

We all go from the womb to the tomb.  The only thing that matters is what we stand for. 

Calvin Lawrence
CGL Consulting</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are 100% right when you talk about me and statistics.  However, you are forgetting one important fact.  The abuse of alcohol was observed by me. I kept no stats but I know what I saw therefore, the numerous examples that I could give would not be considered by your logic.</p>
<p>Was Dr. Dietrich&#8217;s recommendations accepted?  No.  Was he shunned and contained by RCMP management? Yes.  Protect the RCMP image at all costs! That is not everyone&#8217;s attitude but it is ingrained in RCMP culture the same as drinking. </p>
<p> My role in this process was an enabler.  Other members were more enabling by looking for the police vehicle when misplaced by the intoxicated NCO the night before. I was the designated driver for those members who consumed alcohol. Every member has a role. There is no escape if you are an RCMP member.</p>
<p>Think of a detachment and the roles that were played out:</p>
<p>The Alcoholic Dependent Person &#8211; perfectionist, aggressive, charming, blaming, etc.</p>
<p>The Chief Enabler &#8211; sickly powerless, compliant, Manipulative,  etc.</p>
<p>The Family hero &#8211;  successful, independent, seeking approval,  perceptive, etc.</p>
<p>THe Scapegoat- sullen, defiant, acting out, blaming, etc.</p>
<p>The Lost Child &#8211; creative loners,  solitary, withdrawn, etc.</p>
<p>The Mascot &#8211; hyperactive, humour, centre of attention, etc.</p>
<p>Each member could could take on any of the above roles.  They are interchangeable at any give time. This may be a little over the top for some readers but I do not have the luxury of power point or over heads to state my position here.</p>
<p>I was proud to be a member of the RCMP but I also believe in tough love.  I did not go along to get along because that is fraud.  </p>
<p>We all go from the womb to the tomb.  The only thing that matters is what we stand for. </p>
<p>Calvin Lawrence<br />
CGL Consulting</p>
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		<title>By: Deepthroat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deepthroat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 19:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The counterpoint here is that past and present behaviour (unchecked or unexamined) is a prediction of future behaviour.&quot;  I would think that that is actually your point no?

I call for recent supporting (complimenting) information, or non supporting (counterpoint) information.  Hardly a defense.

You provide no statistics or studies to show the percentages today Calvin.  Simply because RCMP officers are in trouble due to alcohol, it does not mean a rise or even a drop in the questionable overall statistics you quote relative to today&#039;s situation.  Thus my comment on a compliment or counterpoint to them.   If you are extrapolating from single incidents listed here, you provide no explanation as such.  3043 out of 15,000 odd RCMP officers 20 years ago is hardly a representative sample based on present day models.

An accurate picture could be drawn if you could provide something other than 20 year old statistics. alone.  A comparison percentage to society in general would be germane as well, and provide some context.

The fact that society has some issues with alcohol consumption is certainly not news.  The fact that RCMP officers, being part of society, have some alcohol issues is also no surprise.

Your assumption of defense at all times is also inaccurate, (check previous posts) in that pointing out mitigating or contrary factors does not always constitute a defense, but merely raises questions with respect to stated analysis and purported assumptions.  Qualifiers are always desirable to augment ones position and give a clearer picture free of biased conclusions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The counterpoint here is that past and present behaviour (unchecked or unexamined) is a prediction of future behaviour.&#8221;  I would think that that is actually your point no?</p>
<p>I call for recent supporting (complimenting) information, or non supporting (counterpoint) information.  Hardly a defense.</p>
<p>You provide no statistics or studies to show the percentages today Calvin.  Simply because RCMP officers are in trouble due to alcohol, it does not mean a rise or even a drop in the questionable overall statistics you quote relative to today&#8217;s situation.  Thus my comment on a compliment or counterpoint to them.   If you are extrapolating from single incidents listed here, you provide no explanation as such.  3043 out of 15,000 odd RCMP officers 20 years ago is hardly a representative sample based on present day models.</p>
<p>An accurate picture could be drawn if you could provide something other than 20 year old statistics. alone.  A comparison percentage to society in general would be germane as well, and provide some context.</p>
<p>The fact that society has some issues with alcohol consumption is certainly not news.  The fact that RCMP officers, being part of society, have some alcohol issues is also no surprise.</p>
<p>Your assumption of defense at all times is also inaccurate, (check previous posts) in that pointing out mitigating or contrary factors does not always constitute a defense, but merely raises questions with respect to stated analysis and purported assumptions.  Qualifiers are always desirable to augment ones position and give a clearer picture free of biased conclusions.</p>
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		<title>By: Calvin Lawrence</title>
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		<dc:creator>Calvin Lawrence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 15:31:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The counterpoint here is that past and present behaviour (unchecked or unexamined) is a prediction of future behaviour. 

 With respect;  you would think that a person of your intellect and experience would realize that fact.   I know that you try but you can&#039;t defend the RCMP organization at all times.  Some truths just have to be acknowledged and dealt with. 

The dots can be connected regarding abuse of alcohol in policing and the RCMP.  If you want to see what progress that has been made just read the headline and response by Sgt. Shields.   

After all is said and done more is said than done.     

Calvin Lawrence
CGL Consulting</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The counterpoint here is that past and present behaviour (unchecked or unexamined) is a prediction of future behaviour. </p>
<p> With respect;  you would think that a person of your intellect and experience would realize that fact.   I know that you try but you can&#8217;t defend the RCMP organization at all times.  Some truths just have to be acknowledged and dealt with. </p>
<p>The dots can be connected regarding abuse of alcohol in policing and the RCMP.  If you want to see what progress that has been made just read the headline and response by Sgt. Shields.   </p>
<p>After all is said and done more is said than done.     </p>
<p>Calvin Lawrence<br />
CGL Consulting</p>
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		<title>By: Deepthroat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deepthroat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 00:29:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would be more interested in your statistics if the 20 year old numbers had a present day compliment or counterpoint.

Health care is a money making industry, far more lucrative than impaired driving, so what is your point on that issue?  Law enforcement bleeds money hourly as it is not a for profit enterprise.  The ancillary &quot;industries&quot; of lawyering, body shops, etc., are just that.    They are for profit and would survive without impaired driving.  Health care has the same.

As far as taking the vehicles upon conviction, there is already laws on the forfeiture of offense related property, in the case of impaired it is the vehicle, however the Crown is reluctant to proceed.  The reason for this is the case law surrounding the forfeiture in relation to the offense.  The courts view any seizures as punitive and after meting out their adjudication, find forfeiture of assets onerous in addition to the sentencing they do.

You would find, even if this would become the norm, that people would be using 3rd party vehicles, as well as inexpensive transportation to avoid large monetary loss.  People will always adapt.

As far as &quot;root causes&quot; there is a great deal of hyperbole surrounding the debate.  There will always be people with addiction issues, be they the internet, pharmaceuticals. illegal drugs, or alcohol.  To think that we can eliminate that is sheer folly.  Society must deal with it in which ever way the majority of the population wants to, because it is a democracy.  Warehousing of borderline and full blown mentally ill persons was standard in the past decades, and now we as a society have deemed they may live on the streets regardless of their condition, because it is their &quot;right&quot;.  Violent mentally ill persons can refuse to take medication as is their right, regardless of the impact to the local citizenry.  This is our level of permissiveness today.

So I am not entirely supportive of your last statement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would be more interested in your statistics if the 20 year old numbers had a present day compliment or counterpoint.</p>
<p>Health care is a money making industry, far more lucrative than impaired driving, so what is your point on that issue?  Law enforcement bleeds money hourly as it is not a for profit enterprise.  The ancillary &#8220;industries&#8221; of lawyering, body shops, etc., are just that.    They are for profit and would survive without impaired driving.  Health care has the same.</p>
<p>As far as taking the vehicles upon conviction, there is already laws on the forfeiture of offense related property, in the case of impaired it is the vehicle, however the Crown is reluctant to proceed.  The reason for this is the case law surrounding the forfeiture in relation to the offense.  The courts view any seizures as punitive and after meting out their adjudication, find forfeiture of assets onerous in addition to the sentencing they do.</p>
<p>You would find, even if this would become the norm, that people would be using 3rd party vehicles, as well as inexpensive transportation to avoid large monetary loss.  People will always adapt.</p>
<p>As far as &#8220;root causes&#8221; there is a great deal of hyperbole surrounding the debate.  There will always be people with addiction issues, be they the internet, pharmaceuticals. illegal drugs, or alcohol.  To think that we can eliminate that is sheer folly.  Society must deal with it in which ever way the majority of the population wants to, because it is a democracy.  Warehousing of borderline and full blown mentally ill persons was standard in the past decades, and now we as a society have deemed they may live on the streets regardless of their condition, because it is their &#8220;right&#8221;.  Violent mentally ill persons can refuse to take medication as is their right, regardless of the impact to the local citizenry.  This is our level of permissiveness today.</p>
<p>So I am not entirely supportive of your last statement.</p>
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		<title>By: Calvin Lawrence</title>
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		<dc:creator>Calvin Lawrence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 23:39:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am trying to connect the dots as to how a case of impaired driving generates a discussion on racial conflict.  I guess that the following statement is true:  
No major problem that exists between the people of the known universe ,can be eliminated until racial conflict is eliminated. 
I am now going to attempt to return to the topic of impaired driving.

Impaired driving is a problem in society.  Police officers are recruited from society therefore it is not surprising that drinking and driving touches police organizations generally and the RCMP specifically. It is time that the root causes of the problem are examined rather than just the actions of the individual drinking members. 

Joseph F. Dietrich Dr.P.H., C.A.C. started the Members Assistance Program in the RCMP.  He is one of the foremost authorities in the world on Police and Alcohol.
  He conducted a survey of RCMP members in 1989.  The Clarke Institute in Toronto was used as the mailing point.  3500 questionnaires were sent out to the members across Canada.  3043 members answered the questions.

The results were:

11% of members were having 7 or more drinks a day.
17% of members were having 5 or more drinks a day.
35% of members were having 3 or more drinks a day.
26% of members needed psychological intervention.

I was also privileged to have him present to members on our training days while posted in the Prime Minister&#039;s Protection Detail.  A few statements that he made comes to mind.

Most members would have had an alcoholic supervisor in the first five years of their service.  (I did)

Make the members aware of the statistics.  (They may reduce their drinking)

Raise the mess prices to commercial prices. (They may reduce their drinking) 

The drinking culture starts early.  There are several drinking locations at Depot.

My opinion on Impaired driving and society:  

Removing impaired drivers from our roads is an ongoing process.  The courts have implemented cars with breathalyzers, and educational courses, and now we as a society want to hold others responsible.  (Hosts of functions where alcohol is served.)
Society expects us to drink and drive.  Why else would there be parking lots built for drinking establishments?  
 
Society my get more answers as to why we continue to have the problem of impaired driving by following the money trail.  The police officer is in court testifying and receives overtime pay, society through the courts imposing fines, the increase insurance costs incurred by the accused, the auto body repair shops, defence lawyer’s fees, installing apparatus in vehicles to detect if the driver is impaired, business advertising in MADD magazine and more; all make money from the impaired driver.  If someone is killed even the funeral home makes money. (Don’t forget to include the tax.)
 
Impair driving is a money making industry.
A major solution to the drinking and driving problem is forfeiting the driven vehicle to the crown upon conviction.  There would have to be a faint hope close where application could be made to have the vehicle returned. (EG: rental or commercial vehicle.)  The incidents of multiple convictions of an individual would be reduced.  How many impaired drivers would be in a position to have three or four cars seized?  No one would lend or rent a vehicle, or employ that person as a driver, after the first offence.  I doubt that an impaired driver could afford to purchase three or four cars after each conviction and the vehicle was seized.
 
We as a society are now entering an age where other drugs as well as alcohol are being consumed and people are driving high.  The case law in the criminal code demonstrates overwhelmingly that there is a good chance that an impaired driver using alcohol will be acquitted.   The use of other drugs is not even detectable in most cases.  

If a deer or moose is shot out of season or without a permit there is a possibility that the vehicle would be forfeited to the crown upon conviction.  The least we can do is apply the same law to a human being.  
 
Until real solutions are found and real issues are addressed; the loss of life due to impaired driving is just the cost of doing business to make money. 

Calvin Lawrence
C.G.L Consulting</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am trying to connect the dots as to how a case of impaired driving generates a discussion on racial conflict.  I guess that the following statement is true:<br />
No major problem that exists between the people of the known universe ,can be eliminated until racial conflict is eliminated.<br />
I am now going to attempt to return to the topic of impaired driving.</p>
<p>Impaired driving is a problem in society.  Police officers are recruited from society therefore it is not surprising that drinking and driving touches police organizations generally and the RCMP specifically. It is time that the root causes of the problem are examined rather than just the actions of the individual drinking members. </p>
<p>Joseph F. Dietrich Dr.P.H., C.A.C. started the Members Assistance Program in the RCMP.  He is one of the foremost authorities in the world on Police and Alcohol.<br />
  He conducted a survey of RCMP members in 1989.  The Clarke Institute in Toronto was used as the mailing point.  3500 questionnaires were sent out to the members across Canada.  3043 members answered the questions.</p>
<p>The results were:</p>
<p>11% of members were having 7 or more drinks a day.<br />
17% of members were having 5 or more drinks a day.<br />
35% of members were having 3 or more drinks a day.<br />
26% of members needed psychological intervention.</p>
<p>I was also privileged to have him present to members on our training days while posted in the Prime Minister&#8217;s Protection Detail.  A few statements that he made comes to mind.</p>
<p>Most members would have had an alcoholic supervisor in the first five years of their service.  (I did)</p>
<p>Make the members aware of the statistics.  (They may reduce their drinking)</p>
<p>Raise the mess prices to commercial prices. (They may reduce their drinking) </p>
<p>The drinking culture starts early.  There are several drinking locations at Depot.</p>
<p>My opinion on Impaired driving and society:  </p>
<p>Removing impaired drivers from our roads is an ongoing process.  The courts have implemented cars with breathalyzers, and educational courses, and now we as a society want to hold others responsible.  (Hosts of functions where alcohol is served.)<br />
Society expects us to drink and drive.  Why else would there be parking lots built for drinking establishments?  </p>
<p>Society my get more answers as to why we continue to have the problem of impaired driving by following the money trail.  The police officer is in court testifying and receives overtime pay, society through the courts imposing fines, the increase insurance costs incurred by the accused, the auto body repair shops, defence lawyer’s fees, installing apparatus in vehicles to detect if the driver is impaired, business advertising in MADD magazine and more; all make money from the impaired driver.  If someone is killed even the funeral home makes money. (Don’t forget to include the tax.)</p>
<p>Impair driving is a money making industry.<br />
A major solution to the drinking and driving problem is forfeiting the driven vehicle to the crown upon conviction.  There would have to be a faint hope close where application could be made to have the vehicle returned. (EG: rental or commercial vehicle.)  The incidents of multiple convictions of an individual would be reduced.  How many impaired drivers would be in a position to have three or four cars seized?  No one would lend or rent a vehicle, or employ that person as a driver, after the first offence.  I doubt that an impaired driver could afford to purchase three or four cars after each conviction and the vehicle was seized.</p>
<p>We as a society are now entering an age where other drugs as well as alcohol are being consumed and people are driving high.  The case law in the criminal code demonstrates overwhelmingly that there is a good chance that an impaired driver using alcohol will be acquitted.   The use of other drugs is not even detectable in most cases.  </p>
<p>If a deer or moose is shot out of season or without a permit there is a possibility that the vehicle would be forfeited to the crown upon conviction.  The least we can do is apply the same law to a human being.  </p>
<p>Until real solutions are found and real issues are addressed; the loss of life due to impaired driving is just the cost of doing business to make money. </p>
<p>Calvin Lawrence<br />
C.G.L Consulting</p>
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		<title>By: excop</title>
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		<dc:creator>excop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just another thing re Internal Process when you have a conplaint against the RCMP (even a Human Rights one) it goes through the RCMP. Human Rights will tell you you file with the Commissioners Office first teh if not satisfied you go to Human Rights. So the RCMP investigates itself and covers up. Call the Commissioners office they will tell you we let Divisions handle their Internal matters. Hey I got a fair shake so far why not trust them more?? As for Promotions a lot of caucasians  get promoted within their Divisions but the Minorities/Females and Natives have to move outside their Division and even the Maritimes to get a promotion, this is the same as other big Companies,how?
As for writing a book it might be nice to blow of some steam good therapy, who knows, People are just not interested in the Force anymore. look at thie site its 90% Police Officers. We all have good and bad stories about the Companies we work or worked for, and I for one will state the RCMP is still one of the best Companies to work for and the Top Police Force if you want to become a Police Officer, I just wrote what I observed and wanted to get my opinion/story out there. Could have went to the press but the RCMP (good members) have enough crap to deal with now. Those who know me know my stand and know weather I was guilty or not, they stood by me family anf friends and for that I am thankful. The one or two members who are my friends knew, the senior ones always said you can win the battle. My NCO andI/C always said I would never make 24 if they had any input. For the members out there 15 yrs no courses, figure it out.
Thanks, I do enjoy this site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just another thing re Internal Process when you have a conplaint against the RCMP (even a Human Rights one) it goes through the RCMP. Human Rights will tell you you file with the Commissioners Office first teh if not satisfied you go to Human Rights. So the RCMP investigates itself and covers up. Call the Commissioners office they will tell you we let Divisions handle their Internal matters. Hey I got a fair shake so far why not trust them more?? As for Promotions a lot of caucasians  get promoted within their Divisions but the Minorities/Females and Natives have to move outside their Division and even the Maritimes to get a promotion, this is the same as other big Companies,how?<br />
As for writing a book it might be nice to blow of some steam good therapy, who knows, People are just not interested in the Force anymore. look at thie site its 90% Police Officers. We all have good and bad stories about the Companies we work or worked for, and I for one will state the RCMP is still one of the best Companies to work for and the Top Police Force if you want to become a Police Officer, I just wrote what I observed and wanted to get my opinion/story out there. Could have went to the press but the RCMP (good members) have enough crap to deal with now. Those who know me know my stand and know weather I was guilty or not, they stood by me family anf friends and for that I am thankful. The one or two members who are my friends knew, the senior ones always said you can win the battle. My NCO andI/C always said I would never make 24 if they had any input. For the members out there 15 yrs no courses, figure it out.<br />
Thanks, I do enjoy this site.</p>
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		<title>By: excop</title>
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		<dc:creator>excop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:08:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well gentleman thank you I know most can figure out who I am but I am a man who stands behind what he says and does not try to hid behind madeup names. Most people will comment on things behind the safety of closed doors or darkness. I had a lot of members who knew I was getting railroaded and they refused to come forward. As for the Wal-Mart incident I was still in the store when approached and the NGPD called the RCMP to see what they should do, go figure. As for being racist go to any community be they African Canadain or First Nations we all know what red/black on he outside and white in the center is. As for my spelling/english, I went to school and university and took a writing report for reports, neither the Crown nor theCourts had a problem with my reports and I had a 95%  conviction rate. My judgement was poor in thinking if you don&#039;t do wrong you don&#039;t get in trouble, also in putting my trust in the RCMP and Justice System.  I know Johnny G is a member and pretty sure Deepthroat is to. Keeping the can at the Det was not an option as most times members work alone. As for the Red Serge my child ask me to go and I Love my children very much. I have great respect for 70% of the RCMP most on the Front Lines but its those who run it and make the decisions I have no respect for and question their honesty.
As for my judgement I was left in charge plenty of times I never had problems with the public/ or my dealings with the public nor did I have any problems with my investigations..
But as we all know there is two sides to every story and mine is but one and when it came to Court my side was&#039;t heard and the Law Firm who represented me is well respected and by the time it was apparent they were screwing me I could not afford to chance lawyers,the Justice System sometimes most times tilts in the favor of who can pay the most and when your up against the Goverment they can fight forever.
Deals are made all the time the Crown wanted the Wal-Mart to go through Adult Diversion and wanted to deal out the Gas Can incident within the first month the RCMP said no deal as did NGPD ( they ahd said no worries we&#039;ll get it all straightened out we just have to talk to your boss.) Never heard from them again, I was served papers for the charge by the RCMP a Sgt. of all people. Even though I am just a small fry I rec&#039;d alot of special attention. Courts told me I needed a Lawyer to launch an appeal and would not send me out the paperwork until I had one, I called two high profile Law Firms and told them in a message who I was going up against and who my Lawyer had been and guess what, no one returned my call.
Those of you who have been in the Force know the game and know what emenies in the Force are capable of.
To let you know the gas thing caused a 6 month suspension of my license and it goes on my driving record, the Judge ordered it off my record due to the fact the bill was put in place to discourage driving from the Pumps without paying. Now  for the past 2 months I have been in a battle with the DMV who stated the Judge did not have that power and it should be back on my record. You know who represents the DMV the same department being run by my old boss, the Dept of Justice. So tell me am I special do I deserveall this attention, are you happy with the way your taxes get spent. Anyhow gentleman and ladies I hope and pray no one ever has to find out how it feels to go through this 2-3 yr struggle or anything like it.
Thank You</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well gentleman thank you I know most can figure out who I am but I am a man who stands behind what he says and does not try to hid behind madeup names. Most people will comment on things behind the safety of closed doors or darkness. I had a lot of members who knew I was getting railroaded and they refused to come forward. As for the Wal-Mart incident I was still in the store when approached and the NGPD called the RCMP to see what they should do, go figure. As for being racist go to any community be they African Canadain or First Nations we all know what red/black on he outside and white in the center is. As for my spelling/english, I went to school and university and took a writing report for reports, neither the Crown nor theCourts had a problem with my reports and I had a 95%  conviction rate. My judgement was poor in thinking if you don&#8217;t do wrong you don&#8217;t get in trouble, also in putting my trust in the RCMP and Justice System.  I know Johnny G is a member and pretty sure Deepthroat is to. Keeping the can at the Det was not an option as most times members work alone. As for the Red Serge my child ask me to go and I Love my children very much. I have great respect for 70% of the RCMP most on the Front Lines but its those who run it and make the decisions I have no respect for and question their honesty.<br />
As for my judgement I was left in charge plenty of times I never had problems with the public/ or my dealings with the public nor did I have any problems with my investigations..<br />
But as we all know there is two sides to every story and mine is but one and when it came to Court my side was&#8217;t heard and the Law Firm who represented me is well respected and by the time it was apparent they were screwing me I could not afford to chance lawyers,the Justice System sometimes most times tilts in the favor of who can pay the most and when your up against the Goverment they can fight forever.<br />
Deals are made all the time the Crown wanted the Wal-Mart to go through Adult Diversion and wanted to deal out the Gas Can incident within the first month the RCMP said no deal as did NGPD ( they ahd said no worries we&#8217;ll get it all straightened out we just have to talk to your boss.) Never heard from them again, I was served papers for the charge by the RCMP a Sgt. of all people. Even though I am just a small fry I rec&#8217;d alot of special attention. Courts told me I needed a Lawyer to launch an appeal and would not send me out the paperwork until I had one, I called two high profile Law Firms and told them in a message who I was going up against and who my Lawyer had been and guess what, no one returned my call.<br />
Those of you who have been in the Force know the game and know what emenies in the Force are capable of.<br />
To let you know the gas thing caused a 6 month suspension of my license and it goes on my driving record, the Judge ordered it off my record due to the fact the bill was put in place to discourage driving from the Pumps without paying. Now  for the past 2 months I have been in a battle with the DMV who stated the Judge did not have that power and it should be back on my record. You know who represents the DMV the same department being run by my old boss, the Dept of Justice. So tell me am I special do I deserveall this attention, are you happy with the way your taxes get spent. Anyhow gentleman and ladies I hope and pray no one ever has to find out how it feels to go through this 2-3 yr struggle or anything like it.<br />
Thank You</p>
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		<title>By: JohnnyG</title>
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		<dc:creator>JohnnyG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 18:04:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>EX Cop, You might as well used your real name as there is no other case in Nova Scotia of RCMP and gas theft that I know of. 

By the way, you didn&#039;t mention it, but what happened at that New Glasgow Walmart store, when the town police were called?

Wearing your old red serge when you no longer serve with the organization? Are this for real? As far as I have ever known the only people that can wear a red serge are retired members (in good standing) with a letter of permission from the brass.  Though a ceremonial uniform, in my opinion what you did was impersonating a police officer. 

  If it were me and I truly felt I had been railroaded by the system, I would&#039;t want to wear the red serge. I would have burned it, not worn it. 

 Regarding the gas can. Ever hear the accronym CYA- Cover Your Ass??  Did you ever get permission from your section Cpl or detachement commander to carry a can in the ca?. I understand that in rural area&#039;s gas stations sometimes close early, but couldn&#039;t you have gotten a can and kept it in the garage at the detachement? Personally, I don&#039;t like the the idea of several gallons of flammable/combustable liquid flying around in my trunk. Kinda makes me uneasy if you know what I mean... 

I will be the first to agree that the RCMP is full of Old Boys Clubs an is very political. I will also agree that there are alot of double standards in regard to who stays and who gets shown the door. I am also the first to acknowledge that harassment can be rife in the orgainzation and high flyers can get hounded out for being a threat.   But, my problem with what you are telling me is that I am seeing a pattern of poor judgement being exercised.  I also don&#039;t mean to pick on your style of writing, but after 15 years in the force how in the world did you ever pass in reports to the crown to go before the courts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EX Cop, You might as well used your real name as there is no other case in Nova Scotia of RCMP and gas theft that I know of. </p>
<p>By the way, you didn&#8217;t mention it, but what happened at that New Glasgow Walmart store, when the town police were called?</p>
<p>Wearing your old red serge when you no longer serve with the organization? Are this for real? As far as I have ever known the only people that can wear a red serge are retired members (in good standing) with a letter of permission from the brass.  Though a ceremonial uniform, in my opinion what you did was impersonating a police officer. </p>
<p>  If it were me and I truly felt I had been railroaded by the system, I would&#8217;t want to wear the red serge. I would have burned it, not worn it. </p>
<p> Regarding the gas can. Ever hear the accronym CYA- Cover Your Ass??  Did you ever get permission from your section Cpl or detachement commander to carry a can in the ca?. I understand that in rural area&#8217;s gas stations sometimes close early, but couldn&#8217;t you have gotten a can and kept it in the garage at the detachement? Personally, I don&#8217;t like the the idea of several gallons of flammable/combustable liquid flying around in my trunk. Kinda makes me uneasy if you know what I mean&#8230; </p>
<p>I will be the first to agree that the RCMP is full of Old Boys Clubs an is very political. I will also agree that there are alot of double standards in regard to who stays and who gets shown the door. I am also the first to acknowledge that harassment can be rife in the orgainzation and high flyers can get hounded out for being a threat.   But, my problem with what you are telling me is that I am seeing a pattern of poor judgement being exercised.  I also don&#8217;t mean to pick on your style of writing, but after 15 years in the force how in the world did you ever pass in reports to the crown to go before the courts?</p>
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		<title>By: Deepthroat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deepthroat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 20:37:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quite a narrative.  It becomes confusing in a number of areas due to the poor grammar and spelling.  You do not relate whether or not you took advantage of the appeal process of any internal dispute through to Federal Court as is your right.

&quot;The RCMP state they want to promote minorities will most of the Minorities/Native/Females promoted in the Maritime have rec’d their promotions outside the Maritime and transfer back in or are what we call oreo’s/apples, balck/red on the outside and white on the in.&quot;  (sic)

This statement would be an example of you being racist if you are putting the &quot;we&quot; in as an inclusion of yourself.  It seems that &quot;they&quot; do get promotions so what is the point?  They have to go to other offices for a particular job, against their wishes?  And this differs from major companies in what way?

&quot;Maybe I’ll write a book but then I would proably disappear.&quot; (sic)

You have all the makings of a first rate thriller there excop.  Intrigue, conspiracy, secret societies, racism, exclusive handshakes.

Just don&#039;t forget to check the gas gauge once in a while.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quite a narrative.  It becomes confusing in a number of areas due to the poor grammar and spelling.  You do not relate whether or not you took advantage of the appeal process of any internal dispute through to Federal Court as is your right.</p>
<p>&#8220;The RCMP state they want to promote minorities will most of the Minorities/Native/Females promoted in the Maritime have rec’d their promotions outside the Maritime and transfer back in or are what we call oreo’s/apples, balck/red on the outside and white on the in.&#8221;  (sic)</p>
<p>This statement would be an example of you being racist if you are putting the &#8220;we&#8221; in as an inclusion of yourself.  It seems that &#8220;they&#8221; do get promotions so what is the point?  They have to go to other offices for a particular job, against their wishes?  And this differs from major companies in what way?</p>
<p>&#8220;Maybe I’ll write a book but then I would proably disappear.&#8221; (sic)</p>
<p>You have all the makings of a first rate thriller there excop.  Intrigue, conspiracy, secret societies, racism, exclusive handshakes.</p>
<p>Just don&#8217;t forget to check the gas gauge once in a while.</p>
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