Comments on: RCMP accused of grounding plane critical of Harper ‘for political reasons’ http://www.rcmpwatch.com/rcmp-accused-of-grounding-plane-critical-of-harper-%e2%80%98for-political-reasons%e2%80%99/ Calling for increased accountability since 2006 Wed, 22 May 2013 18:51:06 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Calvin Lawrence http://www.rcmpwatch.com/rcmp-accused-of-grounding-plane-critical-of-harper-%e2%80%98for-political-reasons%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-6250 Calvin Lawrence Wed, 05 Sep 2012 23:40:41 +0000 http://www.rcmpwatch.com/?p=5225#comment-6250 I am in no position to say the RCMP is lying to the press and public. People can only believe what they are told. If the story changes then they want to know which version is true. The honour guard was made up of volunteers. No- they were on duty. The plane was in restricted air space. No- but is was a perceived threat to the Prime Minister. The RCMP keeps doing things the same and expecting different results. When successful results are not forth coming they do the same thing with more vigour. That's called neurotic behaviour. I am in no position to say the RCMP is lying to the press and public.

People can only believe what they are told. If the story changes then they want to know which version is true.

The honour guard was made up of volunteers.
No- they were on duty.
The plane was in restricted air space.
No- but is was a perceived threat to the Prime Minister.

The RCMP keeps doing things the same and expecting different results. When successful results are not forth coming they do the same thing with more vigour. That’s called neurotic behaviour.

]]> By: Deepthroat http://www.rcmpwatch.com/rcmp-accused-of-grounding-plane-critical-of-harper-%e2%80%98for-political-reasons%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-6249 Deepthroat Wed, 05 Sep 2012 22:16:12 +0000 http://www.rcmpwatch.com/?p=5225#comment-6249 Perhaps instead of accusing everyone of lying, one should examine the overall system by which the communications are handled. Anyone familiar with govt bureaucracies will tell you that there are far too many persons for any particular segment. Add into this fact with the RCMP the unholy zeal with which they try to get something out when asked. A more realistic assessment would be that in line with their outdated and over bloated bureaucracy trying to be seen to be getting a comment out, the message is continuously garbled. Just harken back to elementary school and how a simple phrase delivered to one student resembles nothing similar at the end of 10 students transmission of the very same initial words. When was the last time you heard a phrase similar to : We are looking into the question and will answer it shortly, or how about I am not in full possession of the facts therefore an comments would be premature? No lately from the RCMP. The exodus of staff from Ottawa is hopefully a sign that such confusion should abate. The less persons in the line of communication the better. People speaking before they have all the facts is a problem not confined to the RCMP. Calling everybody liars is foolhardy and unproductive. In respect of the YVR debacle, remember that it was individual decisions that created the perjury with individual officers. Overall the inquiry had no issue with cover up: "The rush to publish — a well-intentioned desire to inform the public about what had happened at the Airport pre-empted the equally important goal of accuracy. In hindsight, it would have been preferable to avoid any detailed discussion of the circumstances at that early stage in the investigation." Perhaps instead of accusing everyone of lying, one should examine the overall system by which the communications are handled. Anyone familiar with govt bureaucracies will tell you that there are far too many persons for any particular segment. Add into this fact with the RCMP the unholy zeal with which they try to get something out when asked.

A more realistic assessment would be that in line with their outdated and over bloated bureaucracy trying to be seen to be getting a comment out, the message is continuously garbled. Just harken back to elementary school and how a simple phrase delivered to one student resembles nothing similar at the end of 10 students transmission of the very same initial words.

When was the last time you heard a phrase similar to : We are looking into the question and will answer it shortly, or how about I am not in full possession of the facts therefore an comments would be premature? No lately from the RCMP.

The exodus of staff from Ottawa is hopefully a sign that such confusion should abate. The less persons in the line of communication the better. People speaking before they have all the facts is a problem not confined to the RCMP. Calling everybody liars is foolhardy and unproductive.

In respect of the YVR debacle, remember that it was individual decisions that created the perjury with individual officers. Overall the inquiry had no issue with cover up:

“The rush to publish — a well-intentioned desire to inform the public
about what had happened at the Airport pre-empted the equally
important goal of accuracy. In hindsight, it would have been preferable
to avoid any detailed discussion of the circumstances at that early stage
in the investigation.”

]]> By: Caesar http://www.rcmpwatch.com/rcmp-accused-of-grounding-plane-critical-of-harper-%e2%80%98for-political-reasons%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-6246 Caesar Wed, 05 Sep 2012 20:14:16 +0000 http://www.rcmpwatch.com/?p=5225#comment-6246 Glad to see that someone in here see the writting on the wall. Thanks M.H. Pretty bad when this force is operating in such a way that they remain clueless and think Canadians remain unaware. The question remains a difficult one; can they change? I for one don't think so. Glad to see that someone in here see the writting on the wall. Thanks M.H.

Pretty bad when this force is operating in such a way that they remain clueless and think Canadians remain unaware.

The question remains a difficult one; can they change? I for one don’t think so.

]]> By: Monty Hall http://www.rcmpwatch.com/rcmp-accused-of-grounding-plane-critical-of-harper-%e2%80%98for-political-reasons%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-6245 Monty Hall Wed, 05 Sep 2012 15:44:03 +0000 http://www.rcmpwatch.com/?p=5225#comment-6245 Simple embarrassing. How and why should the public support us in the RCMP, when we lack any amount of credibility. We are so used to lying and being deceptive to the Canadian public, we think it is the norm. Just look at the last two most recent fiascos, both of which were in Ottawa. We outright lied, and when we were caught in that lie, we lied again to attempt to cover our last lie. And not until we were pressed for the truth, did we finally offer some truth. The guys in Ottawa need to get together before they come out with their stories, just like they did at the Vancouver Airport. Oh ya, they didn't get away with their lies either. The right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing in our organization. Accountability starts at the top. We have a long ways to go before we should ask the Canadian public for their trust. We need to earn back Canadians trust. Simple embarrassing. How and why should the public support us in the RCMP, when we lack any amount of credibility. We are so used to lying and being deceptive to the Canadian public, we think it is the norm. Just look at the last two most recent fiascos, both of which were in Ottawa. We outright lied, and when we were caught in that lie, we lied again to attempt to cover our last lie. And not until we were pressed for the truth, did we finally offer some truth. The guys in Ottawa need to get together before they come out with their stories, just like they did at the Vancouver Airport. Oh ya, they didn’t get away with their lies either. The right hand doesn’t know what the left hand is doing in our organization.

Accountability starts at the top. We have a long ways to go before we should ask the Canadian public for their trust. We need to earn back Canadians trust.

]]> By: Boommer http://www.rcmpwatch.com/rcmp-accused-of-grounding-plane-critical-of-harper-%e2%80%98for-political-reasons%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-6242 Boommer Tue, 04 Sep 2012 03:06:20 +0000 http://www.rcmpwatch.com/?p=5225#comment-6242 Quote “According to Rousseau, the RCMP told the pilot the banner could constitute hate speech and a threat to Harper’s security”, What part of “Stephen Harper hates me.” constitutes a hate crime and as far as threat to his security, just look back at the last election and all the aids by all the parties telling everyone how bad the other were. Well done boys, PSAC should be ecstatic, they just got national attention to their cause for a total of $3000.00. Sorry guys you got caught holding the puppy’s ears on this one. Quote “According to Rousseau, the RCMP told the pilot the banner could constitute hate speech and a threat to Harper’s security”, What part of “Stephen Harper hates me.” constitutes a hate crime and as far as threat to his security, just look back at the last election and all the aids by all the parties telling everyone how bad the other were. Well done boys, PSAC should be ecstatic, they just got national attention to their cause for a total of $3000.00.
Sorry guys you got caught holding the puppy’s ears on this one.

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