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	<title>Comments on: Quebec RCMP a mess, report finds</title>
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	<description>Who is keeping them accountable?</description>
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		<title>By: Deepthroat</title>
		<link>http://www.rcmpwatch.com/quebec-rcmp-a-mess-report-finds/comment-page-1/#comment-2955</link>
		<dc:creator>Deepthroat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 04:43:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By George I think you&#039;ve got it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By George I think you&#8217;ve got it.</p>
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		<title>By: Alcan</title>
		<link>http://www.rcmpwatch.com/quebec-rcmp-a-mess-report-finds/comment-page-1/#comment-2951</link>
		<dc:creator>Alcan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 18:53:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The real problem is that way to many people are looking at themselves in the mirror and because everyone makes up their own standards today they come from their mirrors encouraged thinking all is well while some of them forget who they really are and what they were hired to do... they become no better than the bums on the streets looking for pity and hand outs when they get caught with their hands in the cookie jar.... sorry!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The real problem is that way to many people are looking at themselves in the mirror and because everyone makes up their own standards today they come from their mirrors encouraged thinking all is well while some of them forget who they really are and what they were hired to do&#8230; they become no better than the bums on the streets looking for pity and hand outs when they get caught with their hands in the cookie jar&#8230;. sorry!</p>
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		<title>By: Deepthroat</title>
		<link>http://www.rcmpwatch.com/quebec-rcmp-a-mess-report-finds/comment-page-1/#comment-2946</link>
		<dc:creator>Deepthroat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 22:18:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So you obviously feel that the public complaints commission is not up to, nor doing an adequate job of overseeing the RCMP.  Which would lead one to believe that you do not support the Brown report into the RCMP nor the government committee set up to implement changes and the numerous public officials charged with their implementation?

Someone held accountable?  You forget this is the era of its &#039;everybody&#039;s fault but mine.&#039;  From the criminal with the bad childhood to the lying politicians two stepping out of blunders.  How did it get this way?  Look in the mirror.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So you obviously feel that the public complaints commission is not up to, nor doing an adequate job of overseeing the RCMP.  Which would lead one to believe that you do not support the Brown report into the RCMP nor the government committee set up to implement changes and the numerous public officials charged with their implementation?</p>
<p>Someone held accountable?  You forget this is the era of its &#8216;everybody&#8217;s fault but mine.&#8217;  From the criminal with the bad childhood to the lying politicians two stepping out of blunders.  How did it get this way?  Look in the mirror.</p>
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		<title>By: Alcan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alcan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 18:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe the public and media cry for an independent people represented, not police represented review board to over see the structure, management and disciplin of problem areas of the RCMP is really the only way to assure Canadians, appart from the Complaints Commission that is, that someone somewhere in this crazy world we now live in will be held accountable for a change. 

Of course that&#039;s if they don&#039;t hire their friends and it truly remains independent manned with good people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe the public and media cry for an independent people represented, not police represented review board to over see the structure, management and disciplin of problem areas of the RCMP is really the only way to assure Canadians, appart from the Complaints Commission that is, that someone somewhere in this crazy world we now live in will be held accountable for a change. </p>
<p>Of course that&#8217;s if they don&#8217;t hire their friends and it truly remains independent manned with good people.</p>
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		<title>By: Deepthroat</title>
		<link>http://www.rcmpwatch.com/quebec-rcmp-a-mess-report-finds/comment-page-1/#comment-2937</link>
		<dc:creator>Deepthroat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 21:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No Alcan, that is not the way it has always been.  JohnnyG is spot on when he speaks of the attempted marriage of the two ideals.  One of the biggest faults lie in the promotion system whereby ME is the the only person.  Therefore you do not need anybody (read the team) to get the job done.  Files are undertaken by how they will look on the promotion cycle.  

The older system was actually not broken, but the 15% who could not get promoted whined enough to get things changed by spineless management types through the toothless DSRs.

Management used to be able to deal with these types, but now cannot due to the way the system operates.  The cream o f the hard working, team playing investigators always rose to the top.  Still does, but is not rewarded as in the past.

Now that its here, the elephant in the room has to be dealt with.  Who shall step forward?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No Alcan, that is not the way it has always been.  JohnnyG is spot on when he speaks of the attempted marriage of the two ideals.  One of the biggest faults lie in the promotion system whereby ME is the the only person.  Therefore you do not need anybody (read the team) to get the job done.  Files are undertaken by how they will look on the promotion cycle.  </p>
<p>The older system was actually not broken, but the 15% who could not get promoted whined enough to get things changed by spineless management types through the toothless DSRs.</p>
<p>Management used to be able to deal with these types, but now cannot due to the way the system operates.  The cream o f the hard working, team playing investigators always rose to the top.  Still does, but is not rewarded as in the past.</p>
<p>Now that its here, the elephant in the room has to be dealt with.  Who shall step forward?</p>
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		<title>By: Alcan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alcan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 13:09:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This report could easily be reflective of all the Provinces in Canada and most likely because of the lack of transparacy much more serious in nature that the findings have discovered.

But they won&#039;t fix it because it&#039;s the way it&#039;s always been, sorry!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This report could easily be reflective of all the Provinces in Canada and most likely because of the lack of transparacy much more serious in nature that the findings have discovered.</p>
<p>But they won&#8217;t fix it because it&#8217;s the way it&#8217;s always been, sorry!!!</p>
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		<title>By: JohnnyG</title>
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		<dc:creator>JohnnyG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 11:36:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is just the tip of the iceburg, what is described here plagues the whole organization. 

  New members are not taught team work anymore. Say what you want about the old military system, atleast it promoted that value. It also taught work ethic. The RCMP likes to hire ambitios people, but whenever you have a ambition without work ethic, a management that turns a blind eye to mobbing and harassment, you are bound to have the problems of &quot;careerism&quot; and the dirty politics that arises. Forget dropping people on a deserted island and calling the TV show &quot;Survivor&quot;, a TV crew should follow the internal workings of an RCMP unit and it would better demonstrate the dark side of human nature.   

The RCMP tries to incorporate the military ways of the past with this new feel good politically correct way. Instead of getting the best of both world, it is the absolute worst of both worlds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is just the tip of the iceburg, what is described here plagues the whole organization. </p>
<p>  New members are not taught team work anymore. Say what you want about the old military system, atleast it promoted that value. It also taught work ethic. The RCMP likes to hire ambitios people, but whenever you have a ambition without work ethic, a management that turns a blind eye to mobbing and harassment, you are bound to have the problems of &#8220;careerism&#8221; and the dirty politics that arises. Forget dropping people on a deserted island and calling the TV show &#8220;Survivor&#8221;, a TV crew should follow the internal workings of an RCMP unit and it would better demonstrate the dark side of human nature.   </p>
<p>The RCMP tries to incorporate the military ways of the past with this new feel good politically correct way. Instead of getting the best of both world, it is the absolute worst of both worlds.</p>
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