I agree with the lawyer, he should not be demoted. he should be FIRED. If there is stuff that comes out during such a tribunal like in this case with money issues, predatory behavior and all that other crap, he should be gone.

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Now a moment of thanks that our two brothers in Alberta are alive and recovering from being shot. dont read much of that do you? Just the negative stuff.

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There is is a saying that when government gets involved it doesn’t do anything very good. By them dictating to the RCMP who they have to hire in what numbers, the side effect brings with it higher washout and higher attrition rates both at Depot and in the Regular force. The harassment issue isn’t helping recruitment and retention either.

But Lanny has a real point. Maybe if they did some hiring ahead of the calculated shortage, things would have been not perfect but better.

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How gentlemanly of you to allow LP to have the “last word.”

Your predilection for uncorroborated conclusions ushered in on the form of a question belies your intent.
ie: “…endemic corruption within the RCMP” (unsubstantiated hyperbole) while asking a question is an old lawyers trick to subvert the real goal of getting the focus away from your conclusion while trying to rouse and answer to a different tack, thereby giving it credibility. How very disingenuous.

“Why do you, as a police officer, think that it is acceptable for a police officer to publicly say one thing, but then not follow through?”
Once again a presumption based on vaporous misinterpretation as to what the Commissioner of the RCMP really stated to the public, assembled with an unsubstantiated allegation that you ascribe to the poster. You should read the Commissioners statements, or are you being disingenuous again?

Allowing for the fact you are not of this country, you should be familiar with the law before assuming anything in regard to enacted legislation and case law. Which for your information does not allow itself to be entwined at will by political machinations such as in the US.

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I have many colleagues in the VPD, other BC PDs and in Calgary PS and they are in the same boat on recruiting. The RCMP is bigger and therefore has bigger more diverse needs while the govt keeps cutting back the budget.

The RCMP has approximately 26,000 employees, including
regular (18,000+) and civilian members, and Public Service employees, covering federal, provincial and municipal contracts.
• The RCMP presence: Headquarters, 4 regions, and 15 divisions,
750+ detachments • More than 75,000 volunteers assist the RCMP.
• The Force administers or enforces more than
250 federal statutes and agreements.
• The Canadian Police Information Centre provides (CPIC) shared computer access to more than 80,000 law enforcement officers from coast to coast.
And runs the gun registry as well as maintains the fingerprint repository.

Wood Buffalo/Fort McMurray ranks (by area) as one of the largest municipalities in North America, the biggest in Canada encompassing 68,454 square kilometers, all policed by the RCMP.

The RCMP answers over 3,000,000 (million) calls for service every year. A million alone in BC. Do the math.

What is sometimes true in one area is not in another depending on the costing agreements with the Province/town/ municipality and how much we say we need and how much to holders of the purse strings will give. In the LMD the large municipalities pay the freight by over 90% and agree to a 6% member vacancy rate all the time.

Some very small municipalities are not so lucky with Provincial funding only. Do some research:
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/fs-fd/index-eng.htm

“Who would want their sons or daughters joining the RCMP in their current state anyways?”

Just for your information there is a very large backlog of applicants for the RCMP, far more than we can afford to hire as I am told by recruiting this afternoon. The wait times are over a year minimum.

Do some more research remembering the media love to hate us and do not always report fairly, shocking I know:
http://bc.rcmp.ca/ViewPage.action?siteNodeId=404&languageId=1&contentId=8875
READ what the public thinks.

What country are you from?

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“I plainly noted that you espouse a pro-management stance.”
Its not pro management is pro LAW.

“made an excuse for the commissioner” bollocks, I noted he will have to follow the LAW no matter what he would like to do.

“We have seen in BC that the Force can move very quickly to oust dishonest police officers when they want to.”
The member in question has not had his day in court which in Canada is everybody’s RIGHT.

We dont know if he will follow thru according to the LAW, we will have to wait and see.

“And why then do you chide me for taking the stance that you yourself should be taking?”
Did not chide you, told you your assumptions about me were wrong.

ad hominem: marked by or being an attack on an opponent’s character rather than by an answer to the contentions made
Reread your own post.

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I’ve been a member of this Institution for well over 13 years, & I most certainly DO NOT want my kids to join this RCMP. It’s pathetic that the front line officers are the one’s suffering, it’s the area that needs the most member’s not the Managers office. It’s funny that all the office headquarters, in this division are fully staffed & yet the community detachment’s are short 3-5 members, at least. A superintendent is management & a S/Sgt. is not. So now we know who the LIAR is.

It’s really sad that these number’s have been around for over a decade & yet nothing is done. This just didn’t happen overnight. I can honestly say that the government is being LIED to by RCMP management.

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Your assumptions are not very accurate. I am not, nor have any desire to don a whiteshirt, preferring instead to investigate crime. How you surmise otherwise is probably the same logic that assumes the commish can pretty well do whatever he wants. You should read a little case law and even some ERC cases and you would know what happens when management runs roughshod over members.Kinsey ring a bell?

Nowhere will you find I rally against accountability, actually I have called for it a number of times. Look up ad hominem, in the dictionary, your post is filled with it instead of discussion.

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