Comments on: B.C.’s solicitor general calls for civilian oversight of scandal-sick RCMP http://www.rcmpwatch.com/b-c-s-solicitor-general-calls-for-civilian-oversight-of-scandal-sick-rcmp/ Who is keeping them accountable? Thu, 29 Jul 2010 00:35:07 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Deepthroat http://www.rcmpwatch.com/b-c-s-solicitor-general-calls-for-civilian-oversight-of-scandal-sick-rcmp/comment-page-1/#comment-4041 Deepthroat Wed, 03 Feb 2010 20:05:41 +0000 http://www.rcmpwatch.com/?p=2317#comment-4041 Please read and try to comprehend what I said NRF. I am not concerned that, nor did I reference, the genesis for the complaint against Heed. The fact remains he divulged information improperly. How that may have come to the fore is irrelevant to his conduct. The disclosure of information was totally inappropriate due to the conflict of interest the receiving individual had with the company where the accused worked.

Please read and try to comprehend what I said NRF. I am not concerned that, nor did I reference, the genesis for the complaint against Heed. The fact remains he divulged information improperly. How that may have come to the fore is irrelevant to his conduct. The disclosure of information was totally inappropriate due to the conflict of interest the receiving individual had with the company where the accused worked.

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]]> By: NRF http://www.rcmpwatch.com/b-c-s-solicitor-general-calls-for-civilian-oversight-of-scandal-sick-rcmp/comment-page-1/#comment-4037 NRF Wed, 03 Feb 2010 01:19:49 +0000 http://www.rcmpwatch.com/?p=2317#comment-4037 There is zero likelihood that BC and the feds will walk away from each other. Given the required notice period before the looming expiry date, there is too little time, even if there were commitment to end the BC contract, which there is not. Presumably, they have already agreed on a new oversight or review system since the RCMP brass recently signaled willingness to accept that situation, something much of the leadership was against until that position became difficult to defend. DT, you are wrong to say that the house cleaning had nothing to do with the allegations against Heed. Those claim he disclosed information to a member of the Municipal Police Board, which is responsible for supervising the WVPD. Who was pushing for the issue to become a matter of discipline? Heed's anger had one effect though. It pulled the most senior E Division officers out of their dens to do image polishing. Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

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]]> By: M.S. Thomson http://www.rcmpwatch.com/b-c-s-solicitor-general-calls-for-civilian-oversight-of-scandal-sick-rcmp/comment-page-1/#comment-4035 M.S. Thomson Tue, 02 Feb 2010 03:58:35 +0000 http://www.rcmpwatch.com/?p=2317#comment-4035 Don't worry about it Deepthroat. Sounds to me like Kash got angry (and the Mounties probably should have warned him about this) and shot his mouth off. By Sunday afternnon he was assuring anxious LMD mayors that he was confidant that the RCMP municipal contracts would be renewed and that he had changed his mind about the necessity of a Metropolitan Police Force for Greater Vancouver (which, all due respect to the RCMP, we need; but that's another issue). Basically, Campbell doesn't have the money to walk away from this deal and Harper knows it. The contract will be renewed and Kash will eat crow. Like Wally Oppal, the guy seems to fly off the handle; that is probably what got him into so much hot water with the "rank and file" officers in West Van.

Don’t worry about it Deepthroat. Sounds to me like Kash got angry (and the Mounties probably should have warned him about this) and shot his mouth off. By Sunday afternnon he was assuring anxious LMD mayors that he was confidant that the RCMP municipal contracts would be renewed and that he had changed his mind about the necessity of a Metropolitan Police Force for Greater Vancouver (which, all due respect to the RCMP, we need; but that’s another issue). Basically, Campbell doesn’t have the money to walk away from this deal and Harper knows it. The contract will be renewed and Kash will eat crow. Like Wally Oppal, the guy seems to fly off the handle; that is probably what got him into so much hot water with the “rank and file” officers in West Van.

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]]> By: Deepthroat http://www.rcmpwatch.com/b-c-s-solicitor-general-calls-for-civilian-oversight-of-scandal-sick-rcmp/comment-page-1/#comment-4034 Deepthroat Mon, 01 Feb 2010 20:10:44 +0000 http://www.rcmpwatch.com/?p=2317#comment-4034 You suppose incorrectly NRF. The reference was not to the house cleaning that was and probably still is needed, and was identified by the Provincial audit. The reference was to the manner in which Heed was disclosing investigatory information to unauthorized parities. Even a newly sworn police officer knows that information respecting an ongoing criminal investigation is classified until such time as the public is made aware of it via press release/charge approval. Pandering to ones political masters is not conduct expected from ones Police Chief. Not allowing for the investigation of the allegations is not becoming of the Chief law enforcement officer of the West Vancouver District. The provisions of the Act certainly served him well. "That closed shop attitude of self-protection was so entrenched that Heed wanted no more." Heed was intending on moving forward with his various reforms from car colors to uniform changes, bringing in cronies from VPD to higher ranks, distancing himself from historical agreements with the Mounties and Natives in North Vancouver, and other large changes, backed by the Mayor. His political aspirations never have been a secret, nor his long time association with Wally Oppal et al. West Vancouver Police was just a stepping stone, one that ended in doubt.

You suppose incorrectly NRF. The reference was not to the house cleaning that was and probably still is needed, and was identified by the Provincial audit. The reference was to the manner in which Heed was disclosing investigatory information to unauthorized parities. Even a newly sworn police officer knows that information respecting an ongoing criminal investigation is classified until such time as the public is made aware of it via press release/charge approval. Pandering to ones political masters is not conduct expected from ones Police Chief. Not allowing for the investigation of the allegations is not becoming of the Chief law enforcement officer of the West Vancouver District. The provisions of the Act certainly served him well.

“That closed shop attitude of self-protection was so entrenched that Heed wanted no more.”

Heed was intending on moving forward with his various reforms from car colors to uniform changes, bringing in cronies from VPD to higher ranks, distancing himself from historical agreements with the Mounties and Natives in North Vancouver, and other large changes, backed by the Mayor. His political aspirations never have been a secret, nor his long time association with Wally Oppal et al. West Vancouver Police was just a stepping stone, one that ended in doubt.

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]]> By: NRF http://www.rcmpwatch.com/b-c-s-solicitor-general-calls-for-civilian-oversight-of-scandal-sick-rcmp/comment-page-1/#comment-4030 NRF Mon, 01 Feb 2010 04:30:56 +0000 http://www.rcmpwatch.com/?p=2317#comment-4030 RCMP Watch. I suppose you are talking about the accusations by the old boys of WVPD who were upset that people got disciplined for events arising out of a drinking party at the WV police station? Those included an officer who left the party loaded and was convicted for impaired driving after a motor vehicle collision. The internal process by Heed's predecessor resulted in a dishonest report and allowed the drunk driver to be promoted. Heed also suspended an officer accused and later convicted of a swarming attack on an old man after an off-duty evening on the town. The old guard preferred to handle things quietly, outside the public spotlight. That closed shop attitude of self-protection was so entrenched that Heed wanted no more. Problems were so widespread, a total restructuring was necessary and politicians didn't want to admit the extent of the rot. The people staffing the WVPD had collectively negated the original principles of policing laid out for the first civil police force: * To prevent crime and disorder, as an alternative to their repression by military force and severity of legal punishment. * To recognize always that the power of the police to fulfill their functions and duties is dependent on public approval of their existence, actions and behavior and on their ability to secure and maintain public respect. * To recognize always that to secure and maintain the respect and approval of the public means also the securing of the willing co-operation of the public in the task of securing observance of laws. * To recognize always that the extent to which the co-operation of the public can be secured diminishes proportionately the necessity of the use of physical force and compulsion for achieving police objectives. * To seek and preserve public favor, not by pandering to public opinion; but by constantly demonstrating absolutely impartial service to law, in complete independence of policy, and without regard to the justice or injustice of the substance of individual laws, by ready offering of individual service and friendship to all members of the public without regard to their wealth or social standing, by ready exercise of courtesy and friendly good humor; and by ready offering of individual sacrifice in protecting and preserving life. * To use physical force only when the exercise of persuasion, advice and warning is found to be insufficient to obtain public co-operation to an extent necessary to secure observance of law or to restore order, and to use only the minimum degree of physical force which is necessary on any particular occasion for achieving a police objective. * To maintain at all times a relationship with the public that gives reality to the historic tradition that the police are the public and that the public are the police, the police being only members of the public who are paid to give full time attention to duties which are incumbent on every citizen in the interests of community welfare and existence. * To recognize always the need for strict adherence to police-executive functions, and to refrain from even seeming to usurp the powers of the judiciary of avenging individuals or the State, and of authoritatively judging guilt and punishing the guilty. * To recognize always that the test of police efficiency is the absence of crime and disorder, and not the visible evidence of police action in dealing with them. Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

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]]> By: Injustice http://www.rcmpwatch.com/b-c-s-solicitor-general-calls-for-civilian-oversight-of-scandal-sick-rcmp/comment-page-1/#comment-4029 Injustice Mon, 01 Feb 2010 03:58:32 +0000 http://www.rcmpwatch.com/?p=2317#comment-4029 I swear, the media is getting worse and worse. What Michael Smyth fails to point out in his bandwagon attempt to further sully the RCMP name is that they (the RCMP) have stated often and publicly that they support the idea of public oversight. So, Kash Heed should get off his backside, stop his empty, headline-grabbing complaining and get this public oversight going. Seriously - what is he waiting for? Oh right - easier to beat your chest and listen to the sound of your own voice than do any work.

I swear, the media is getting worse and worse. What Michael Smyth fails to point out in his bandwagon attempt to further sully the RCMP name is that they (the RCMP) have stated often and publicly that they support the idea of public oversight.

So, Kash Heed should get off his backside, stop his empty, headline-grabbing complaining and get this public oversight going.

Seriously – what is he waiting for?

Oh right – easier to beat your chest and listen to the sound of your own voice than do any work.

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]]> By: RCMP Watch http://www.rcmpwatch.com/b-c-s-solicitor-general-calls-for-civilian-oversight-of-scandal-sick-rcmp/comment-page-1/#comment-4026 RCMP Watch Mon, 01 Feb 2010 00:34:40 +0000 http://www.rcmpwatch.com/?p=2317#comment-4026 <b>B.C.'s top cop calls for public oversight of RCMP</b> CTV BC ctvbc.ca Date: Saturday Jan. 30, 2010 6:40 PM PT B.C. Solicitor General Kash Heed says corruption within the ranks of the RCMP has to stop, and that the Mounties should have to answer to the public. With cases like the Taser-related death of Robert Dziekanski, the shooting of Ian Bush and the recent Surrey Six scandal eroding public confidence in the RCMP, Heed says it's time for the national police force to stop investigating itself. "What's critical in the contract we sign with the RCMP is that we have sufficient accountability," Heed said Saturday. Heed said the Mounties should answer to a civilian body just like B.C.'s 11 municipal police forces do under the province's Police Act. "We think a consistent process across the province for any police officer, regardless of the colour of the uniform, is what we need," Heed said. And the B.C. RCMP's assistant commissioner Al Macintyre agrees. "We're for it," Macintyre said. "We've said it publicly." But some critics feel even the Police Act doesn't go far enough. Rob Gordon, director of criminology at Simon Fraser University, says it may be time for an independent anti-corruption task force. "To deal with entrenched corruption, which can come very quickly, especially in jurisdictions where a lot of money is at stake, to deal with that you need dedicated units that are looking out for this." B.C.’s top cop calls for public oversight of RCMP
CTV BC ctvbc.ca
Date: Saturday Jan. 30, 2010 6:40 PM PT

B.C. Solicitor General Kash Heed says corruption within the ranks of the RCMP has to stop, and that the Mounties should have to answer to the public.

With cases like the Taser-related death of Robert Dziekanski, the shooting of Ian Bush and the recent Surrey Six scandal eroding public confidence in the RCMP, Heed says it’s time for the national police force to stop investigating itself.

“What’s critical in the contract we sign with the RCMP is that we have sufficient accountability,” Heed said Saturday.

Heed said the Mounties should answer to a civilian body just like B.C.’s 11 municipal police forces do under the province’s Police Act.

“We think a consistent process across the province for any police officer, regardless of the colour of the uniform, is what we need,” Heed said.

And the B.C. RCMP’s assistant commissioner Al Macintyre agrees.

“We’re for it,” Macintyre said. “We’ve said it publicly.”

But some critics feel even the Police Act doesn’t go far enough.

Rob Gordon, director of criminology at Simon Fraser University, says it may be time for an independent anti-corruption task force.

“To deal with entrenched corruption, which can come very quickly, especially in jurisdictions where a lot of money is at stake, to deal with that you need dedicated units that are looking out for this.”

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]]> By: Deepthroat http://www.rcmpwatch.com/b-c-s-solicitor-general-calls-for-civilian-oversight-of-scandal-sick-rcmp/comment-page-1/#comment-4025 Deepthroat Sun, 31 Jan 2010 20:51:20 +0000 http://www.rcmpwatch.com/?p=2317#comment-4025 That is pretty rich coming from an individual who skated out from BC's police oversight body by retiring from the Chiefs job at West Vancouver. The Act does not allow for investigations if people resign like Heed did, before they caught up with him to hold him accountable. But then I suppose it shows he is ready for greasy politics in the legislature. The hubris of this hack is astounding.

That is pretty rich coming from an individual who skated out from BC’s police oversight body by retiring from the Chiefs job at West Vancouver. The Act does not allow for investigations if people resign like Heed did, before they caught up with him to hold him accountable.

But then I suppose it shows he is ready for greasy politics in the legislature. The hubris of this hack is astounding.

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